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| A Road Trip was held and was a great success; see [[PlanN]]
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| == Plan N+1 ==
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| === Location ===
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| * Japan?
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| ** It is probable that I (Smith) can provide a bilingual guide and possibly limited accomodation in Osaka
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| *** I would furthermore suggest that we do perhaps two major places (say Osaka and Tokyo) with a simple and painless transition between them
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| **** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm
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| * dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan
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| ** When you look into the abyss, &c
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| *** ... you see only ethnic underage girls being forced to offer themselves for sexual services; i object to at least some of that
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| **** Specifically, the qualifier "ethnic"?
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| **** now now, i do not approve of the forcing either; it is important to keep the "gentleman" part of "gentleman pervert"
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| * The Trans-Siberian Railway has been proposed with varying levels of seriousness
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| ** I meant it entirely seriously, but thought it would be best combined with the above (especially since I expect few people other than me to be interested) --Lmm
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| *** Apparently it is not as time-consuming as I (Smith) thought
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| *** six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)
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| **** I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak that goes from Berlin to Novosibirsk
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| * Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic
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| ** Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok
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| *** ...and it is even possible to do this '''via Ulan Baator''', but that is well over 10Mm
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| * Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort
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| ** i rather like this idea
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| * We could potentially hire '''in''' Istanbul, from where we can turn either West or East
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| ** possible but less likely to be nice about where we can go than kompas; also what is actually in anatolia/bithynia et pontus that makes it worth going east?
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| *** Probably precious little, but then what was there on the Adriatic coast? Not much. Personally I (Smith) feel the point of going East would be to get to somewhere excitingly exotic like Georgia or Armenia or Iraqi Kurdist-NO BAD SMITH
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| * Israel, Palestine and perhaps some neighbouring countries would be interesting (and likely cheaper than venturing further afield), but I (Smith - who else, ololol) expect the Kosovo Passport Issue returns with a vengeance if we do this
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| ** and i expect that the "swathes of desert punctuated by terrorists" issue rears its ugly head
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| * South Sudan
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| * mesoamerica (i am saying this due to, as is well known, being a fanboy of mayincatec remains, languages, etc.)
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| ** It is expensive and time-consuming to get there
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| *** could be worse, could be china (i recall it not being *too* expensive?)
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| **** China is attainable by train, which while of course slower than an aircraft is more interesting and probably less draining than a long-haul flight
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| === Dates ===
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| * A year after the previous one?
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| ** Good for purposes of holiday allowance
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| * At Comiket time?
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| * Setting aside the holiday-allowance issue for a moment, I (Smith) submit the following:
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| ** If we go for somewhere hot, then going in the winter might be an option
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| ** Conversely the Trans-Siberian and/or its branch lines might best be done in fairly high summer
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| === Things to bear in mind ===
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| * There is a significant danger that this will become hilariously expensive
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| * On a scale of ''n'' to ''m'', how attached are we to the idea of road-tripping as a method of transport?
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| ** road trip = trip by interesting transport (boat? (delian league, etc.)) = defined-tickboxy train trip (trans-siberian railway) > train trip > excursions from a hub by road > excursions from a hub by train
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| ** For my part, I (Smith) feel a train trip would not need to be a famous proper noun in order to compare favourably with a road trip; it would need merely to be sufficiently epic in scope (viz., Moscow-Beijing, Moscow-Ulan Baator-Beijing, Berlin-Novosibirsk etc). I think a boat trip would be risky indeed, as we do not know how all participants would fare over extended periods on the ocean wave
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| === Attendees ===
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| * Lmm
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| * Smith
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| * mr edward a. heaney (probably)
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| === ARCHIVED CRAP ===
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Animu and other planning.