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* Japan? | * Japan? | ||
** A preliminary plan for Japan is under construction at [[ThreePlusOrMinusNGaijinInABoat]] | ** A preliminary plan for Japan is under construction at [[Archived:ThreePlusOrMinusNGaijinInABoat|ThreePlusOrMinusNGaijinInABoat]] | ||
** It is probable that I (Smith) can provide a bilingual guide in Osaka at any time except January and July | ** It is probable that I (Smith) can provide a bilingual guide in Osaka at any time except January and July | ||
*** I would furthermore suggest that we do perhaps two major places (say Osaka and Tokyo) with a simple and painless transition between them | *** I would furthermore suggest that we do perhaps two major places (say Osaka and Tokyo) with a simple and painless transition between them | ||
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**** But only 6 days. I am coming to think that is the way to go. | **** But only 6 days. I am coming to think that is the way to go. | ||
***** It's been said that Ulan Baator is actually rather dull, but see above re the likely amount of getting-off-and-seeing-stuff time for why this might not matter. I (Smith) for one would consider it a justified modification to the route for the box-tickery alone | ***** It's been said that Ulan Baator is actually rather dull, but see above re the likely amount of getting-off-and-seeing-stuff time for why this might not matter. I (Smith) for one would consider it a justified modification to the route for the box-tickery alone | ||
***** More on this kind of plan at [[NightOnTheGalacticRailroad]] | ***** More on this kind of plan at [[Archived:NightOnTheGalacticRailroad|NightOnTheGalacticRailroad]] | ||
* Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort | * Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort | ||
** i rather like this idea | ** i rather like this idea | ||
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=== THE ROUTE === | === THE ROUTE === | ||
* [[PlanN|The Plan We All Moderately Condoned]] | * [[Archived:PlanN|The Plan We All Moderately Condoned]] | ||
=== PLAN DETAILS === | === PLAN DETAILS === | ||
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To be a Road Trip | To be a Road Trip | ||
* See [[Car]] | * See [[Archived:Car|Car]] | ||
Not to be ridiculously expensive | Not to be ridiculously expensive | ||
* See [[Costs]] | * See [[Archived:Costs|Costs]] | ||
To ensure we can get into all the countries | To ensure we can get into all the countries | ||
* See [[CountryMatters|Country Matters]] | * See [[Archived:CountryMatters|Country Matters]] | ||
[[Attractions|Things to see and do]] | [[Archived:Attractions|Things to see and do]] | ||
[[FrontPage/Accessories|Accessories]] | [[Archived:FrontPage/Accessories|Accessories]] | ||
== Itinary == | == Itinary == | ||
* [[TheUnrotatedPlan]] | * [[Archived:TheUnrotatedPlan|TheUnrotatedPlan]] | ||
* [[StPetersburgItinerary]] | * [[Archived:StPetersburgItinerary|StPetersburgItinerary]] | ||
* [[Istanbul]] | * [[Archived:Istanbul|Istanbul]] | ||
* [[Balkans]] | * [[Archived:Balkans|Balkans]] | ||
* [[BalkanPlan|A Plan that is Actually Balkan]] - far too sensible in milage | * [[Archived:BalkanPlan|A Plan that is Actually Balkan]] - far too sensible in milage | ||
* [[ThetaPrime|Plan Theta Prime]] - too much Ukraine? | * [[Archived:ThetaPrime|Plan Theta Prime]] - too much Ukraine? | ||
=== A Trip to Moscow? === | === A Trip to Moscow? === | ||
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* Destination to be the USA Proposed: RG Aye: MP Nay: PB,MD,EH,BW | * Destination to be the USA Proposed: RG Aye: MP Nay: PB,MD,EH,BW | ||
< | <Rev> I am disappointed to note that this amendment has gained the support of Mr Preece | ||
< | <Philip> I could probably be persuaded to condone this plan, despite my nay-saying. This has a variety of possibilities (e.g. East->West, East coast) | ||
* Trip to be be a Train journey from Moscow to Vladivostok Proposed: PB Aye: Nay: BW PB | * Trip to be be a Train journey from Moscow to Vladivostok Proposed: PB Aye: Nay: BW PB | ||
< | <Ben> Much as I do condone the Trans-Siberian, I think that travelling it in two weeks would involve lots of sitting on trains and not much of seeing Siberia. | ||
< | <Philip> I would probably concur with Ben on this. I shall therefore nay-say my own suggestion | ||
* Trip to be a Road Trip in the Balkans. Proposed: PB Aye: DS BW EH Nay: | * Trip to be a Road Trip in the Balkans. Proposed: PB Aye: DS BW EH Nay: | ||
<Ben> Driving issues notwithstanding, this has potential. | <Ben> Driving issues notwithstanding, this has potential. | ||
< | <Philip> I think I am including the whole Balkan peninsula in this suggestion, including Greece. I have certainly visited very little of this area, and I would suspect that to be true of most of the potential attendees. | ||
<Ben> This also has the advantage of potentially featuring a Mediterranean climate, which would be considerably more clement in March than, e.g. Russia. | <Ben> This also has the advantage of potentially featuring a Mediterranean climate, which would be considerably more clement in March than, e.g. Russia. | ||
* A slightly less adventurous approach of a Road Trip around some of Western Europe (perhaps Italy, Switzerland, Austria, etc.). Proposed: PB Aye: DS EH Nay: MD | * A slightly less adventurous approach of a Road Trip around some of Western Europe (perhaps Italy, Switzerland, Austria, etc.). Proposed: PB Aye: DS EH Nay: MD | ||
< | <Philip> This has the possibility of a latitudinal or longitudinal approach, covering a variety of countries and cities. It has the disadvantage that a lot of places we might consider are liable to have been visited by a subset of the attendees. | ||
< | <lmm> This strikes me as a laming out option | ||
< | <Smith> But also linguistically favourable | ||
< | <Ed> at the risk of making the obvious joke, i concur with smith (latin is more likely to work also, lol) | ||
* A slightly more adventurous approach of a Road Trip (or Bike Trip!) around the Caucasus (because where else can you visit a different language, ethnicity, ''alphabet'', country and/or disputed territory every day of the week?) Proposed: BW Aye: PB EH Nay: | * A slightly more adventurous approach of a Road Trip (or Bike Trip!) around the Caucasus (because where else can you visit a different language, ethnicity, ''alphabet'', country and/or disputed territory every day of the week?) Proposed: BW Aye: PB EH Nay: | ||
< | <Philip> This is liable to require quite a bit of thought, and require multiple visas (Azerbaijan: £55, Georgia: no visa required, Armenia: £30, Russia: £50), but I am interested. | ||
< | <Smith> I am intrigued by the timescale that would be envisaged for ''cycling'' around the Caucasus | ||
< | <Ed> i concur with philip and note the visae but consider it interesting | ||
< | <Mike> Well, I object to the "bike" idea, for (hopefully) obvious reasons, and I also note the expense and inconvinientce of getting multiple visas (plus the possibility of getting caught in the crossfire of whatever war Russia gets into next, or getting shot for pointing out that, if Kosovo is worthy of independence, then surely so is Abkhazia...), but otherwise this doesn't seem all that bad an idea.... | ||
== Attendees == | == Attendees == | ||
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* Smith | * Smith | ||
* Ed | * Ed | ||