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==== Proposed by Ed and Micky, 28/1 ====
==== Proposed by Ed and Micky, 28/1 ====


AS I WRITE THIS I am well aware that this does NOT use all 16 days. My hope is that we can take this plan and build on it in a way that adds no more than 160 miles per day.
* 1. AM: Fly out. PM: Zagreb -> Ljubljana (80 miles, 2 hrs); Ljubljana.
 
* 2. AM: Ljulblana -> Lake Bled (40 miles, 1 hr); Lake Bled. PM: Lake Bled; Lake Bled -> Ljubljana (40 miles, 1 hr).
* 1. AM: Fly out. PM: Zagreb -> Sarajevo (260 miles, 6 hrs).
* 3. AM: Ljubljana -> Skocjan Caves (50 miles, 1.5 hrs); Skocjan Caves. PM: Skocjan Caves -> Trieste (20 miles, 0.5 hrs); Trieste.
* 2. AM: Sarajevo. PM: Sarajevo -> Mostar (80 miles, 2 hrs), Mostar.
* 4. AM: Trieste -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Plitvice Lakes
* 3. AM: Mostar -> Dubrovnik (90 miles, 3 hrs), Dubrovnik. PM: Dubrovnik, Dubrovnik -> Podgorica (100 miles, 3 hrs).
* 5. AM: Plitvice -> Split (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Split.
* 4. All day: Podgorica -> SCENERY, ROMAN REMAINS, WALLS, DUBROVNIK ETC. -> Split (240 miles, 8 hrs allowing for stops and visits and stuff).
* 6. AM: Split. PM: Split -> Dubrovnik (140 miles, 4 hrs (two border crossings)).
* 5. All day: Split. It deserves a day. Diocletian's palace, etc.
* 7. AM: Dubrovnik. PM: Dubrovnik -> Podgorica (100 miles, 3 hrs (we'll need them; crazy road)).
* 6. AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Plitvice Lakes.
* 8. All day: Podgorica -> ruins, scenery, walls, *really* awesome scenery, churches, etc. -> Mostar (190 miles, 8 hrs (for stopping at stuff along the way, mainly)).
* 7. AM: Plitvice -> Trieste (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Trieste.
* 9. AM: Mostar; Mostar -> Sarajevo (80 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Sarajevo.
* 8. AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs), Skocjan Caves. PM: Skocjan Caves -> Ljubljana (50 miles, 1.5 hrs), Ljubljana.
* 10. AM: Sarajevo -> Vukovar (170 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Vukovar.
* 9. AM: Ljubljana -> Lake Bled (40 miles, 1 hr), Lake Bled. PM: Lake Bled, Lake Bled -> Ljubljana (40 miles, 1 hr).
* 11. AM: Vukovar -> Budapest (180 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Budapest.
* 10. AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (260 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Vienna.
* 12. AM: Budapest -> Miskolc (120 miles, 3 hrs (we're on better roads here)). PM: Miskolc.
* 11. AM: Vienna -> Bratislava (50 miles, 1 hr), Bratislava. PM: Bratislava -> Budapest (130 miles, 2.5 hrs), Budapest.
* 13. AM: Miskolc -> Eger (60 miles, 1.5 hrs); Eger. PM: Eger, Tard, etc.; Eger -> Budapest (80 miles, 2 hrs).
* 12. AM: Budapest -> Vukovar (180 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Vukovar (what was there again?).
* 14. AM: Budapest -> Vienna (160 miles, 3.5 hrs). PM: Vienna.
* 13. AM: Budapest -> Zagreb (190 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Fly home.
* 15. AM: Vienna. PM: Vienna -> Ljubljana (250 miles, 6 hrs).
 
* 16. AM: Ljubljana -> Zagreb (80 miles, 2 hrs); return car etc. PM: Fly back.
SUGGESTIONS FOR THE (CURRENTLY THREE) SPARE DAYS:
 
* Eger, as a jaunt from Budapest
* One of the cities might deserve some more time
* A mission to Belgrade from Sarajevo
* A mission to Tirana (you'd forgotten about that! will the hire cars let us do it?) from Podgorica
* Note that a longer jaunt could be made if we hire from Split, by simply missing out Zagreb and going straight from Vukovar to Sarajevo, or alternatively by re-ordering the loop so we go from Zagreb to Ljubljana and return also to Zagreb thence; if so I would totally recommend the Eger diversion
* We could also just slow down one of the longer days, to allocate more time to Budapest or something


MAP
MAP


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PLACES TICKED FOR PEOPLE (based on [[Archived:CanonDesires|canon desires]] and clear statements made on the day of planning) are as follows:
 
* micky: sarajevo, montenegro, miskolc (i also recall there was something else on this route)
PLACES TICKED FOR PEOPLE (based on [[CanonDesires|canon desires]]) are as follows:
* micky: sarajevo, montenegro (also i remember some other stuff that he wanted was on this route)
* smith: vukovar, zagreb, sarajevo, vienna
* smith: vukovar, zagreb, sarajevo, vienna
* ed: podgorica, split, ljubljana + environs
* ed: dubrovnik/podgorica + environs, split, ljubljana + environs
* rev: budapest, zagreb, slovenia, vienna
* rev: budapest, zagreb, slovenia, vienna
* ben: (i seem to recall that he did in fact desire the dalmatian coast, the ruins and preserved stuff at split and dubrovnik, and mostar and the environs of ljubljana; correct if wrong)
* ben: (i seem to recall that he wanted: mostar, eger, split, dubrovnik/podgorica + environs, ljubljana + environs, dalmatian coast)
 
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