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= THE PLAN =

... rotated for a Zagreb start (I leave ~~below~~ the plan, unmodified, ~~which some of Rev and/or Phil posted (with a rant, which I admit I did not leave), for comparison purposes~~)

... rotated and time-recalculated for a Zagreb start (I leave the plan, unmodified, in the archive)

# AM: Fly to Zagreb; PM: Zagreb -> Ljubljana (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Ljubljana

# AM: Ljubljana -> Lake Bled/Bohinj (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)

# AM: Ljubljana -> [[Archived:Lake Bled/Bohinj|Lake Bled/Bohinj]] (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)

# AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore Vienna ('''''note that''''' ''if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day'')

# AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore [[Archived:Vienna|Vienna]] ('''''note that''''' ''if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day'')

# AM: Vienna -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.

# AM: [[Archived:Vienna|Vienna]] -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.

# AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> Miskolc (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc. ('''''note that''''' ''the addition of Miskolc (and the route of the subsequent day) is indeed an addition; before you call me on that, I draw your attention to sb of 02/02, where this addition was condoned by Phil (and Rev? I think), and which adds to things on the lists of Ben and Micky, and of which Ed, at least, also approves'')

# AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> [[Archived:Miskolc|Miskolc]] (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc. ('''''note that''''' ''the addition of Miskolc (and the route of the subsequent day) is indeed an addition; before you call me on that, I draw your attention to sb of 02/02, 2050hrs or so, where this addition was condoned by Phil (and Rev? I think), and which adds to things on the lists of Ben and Micky, and of which Ed, at least, also approves'')

# AM: Miskolc ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.

# AM: [[Archived:Miskolc|Miskolc]] ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.

# AM: Budapest -> Vukovar (180 miles, 4 to 5 hrs). PM: (Explore Vukovar?); Vukovar -> Sarajevo (160 miles, 4 to 5 hrs) ('''''note that''''' ''this could easily be split into two days, to ease the load on the drivers; I'm just not sure there's much actually to see in Vukovar'')

# AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: Sarajevo -> Pluzine -> Podgorica (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. ~~roman~~ remains and also some fantastic scenery))

# AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: [[Archived:SarajevoToPluzine|Sarajevo -> Pluzine]], [[Archived:PluzineToPodgorica|Pluzine -> Podgorica]] (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. Roman remains of Doclea and also some fantastic scenery))

# AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik.

# AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik. ('''''note that''''' ''I know Dubrovnik is not listed below, but both it and Podgorica mean, to me, the area containing and between them, full of scenery, Roman stuff, additional scenery, old-town stuff, further scenery, giant town walls, etc. This, not the town itself, is the interest of Podgorica.'')

# AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Mostar. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)

# AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore [[Archived:Mostar|Mostar]]. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)

# The day: Explore Split.

# AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Plitvice Lakes.

# AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore [[Archived:Plitvice Lakes|Plitvice Lakes]].

# AM: Plitvice Lakes -> Trieste (170 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Trieste.

# AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore Skocjan Caves. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> Ljubljana (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). ('''''I am well aware''''' ''that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more'')

# AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore [[Archived:Skocjan Caves|Skocjan Caves]]. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> [[Archived:Ljubljana|Ljubljana]] (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). ('''''I am well aware''''' ''that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more'')

# AM: Ljubljana -> Zagreb (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.

# AM: [[Archived:Ljubljana|Ljubljana]] -> [[Archived:Zagreb|Zagreb]] (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.

'''I am additionally aware''' that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is partially due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb, and partially due to the long day from Budapest to Sarajevo via Vukovar. ~~I posit~~ the ~~following suggestions for a~~ use of ~~the extra~~ day:

'''I am additionally aware''' that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is partially due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb, and partially due to the long day from Budapest to Sarajevo via Vukovar. IT HAS BEEN POSITED that the optimal use of this day is to deal with our finding ourselves unable to match the Plan's demands, and, consequently, to using it to absorb time as and when we see fit. Should we not need to do this, we can always expend it in e.g. Trieste at the end of the Plan.

* To take 2 days going from Budapest to ~~Sarajevo, spending a night in Vukovar on the way. This avoids a 350-mile drive~~ with ~~at least one border crossing, which is likely~~ to ~~take about 8 or 9 hours. (I myself do not mind~~ the ~~thing outlined above for this day, but those who may potentially wish EITHER to see Vukovar more OR to drive less may object to it.)~~

* To spend an extra day cruising the Tatras, and ~~exploring (not in this order) Miskolc~~, ~~Eger and Krakow (which does in fact have quite a lot of stuff).~~

* Was there something in Bratislava? I think someone mentioned it, ~~but I am not sure why.~~

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~~==== (the unrotated plan follows for comparison) ====~~

''

~~# Arrive Split; explore~~

~~# Split to Sarajevo, via Mostar (5:00)~~

~~# Morning in Sarajevo, then to Pluzine (2:30)~~

~~# To Podgorica (2:00 or 3:00 via Podgorica pass) on to Kotor? (1:00)~~

~~# Podgorica/Kotor to Split (6:00+)~~

~~# Split to Plitvice/~~Trieste ~~(3:30/5:00)~~

~~# to Ljubljana (2:30/1:00)~~

~~# To Bled/Bohinj and back? (1:00 * 2)~~

~~# To Vienna or Bratislava~~

~~# Vienna to Krakow, via Brno (6:00)~~

~~# Krakow, to Stavebná? in~~ the ~~evening (4:00)~~

~~# Day in~~ the ~~Tatras~~

~~# Stavebná to Budapest/Szekesfehervar (3:00)~~

~~# Budapest to Zagreb (4:00)~~

~~# Zagreb to Split~~

~~# Fly home''~~

~~Desires filled, as far as I can see:~~

* Lmm(3): Sarajevo, Montenegro, Miskolc

* Ed(4): Podgorica, Split, Ljubljana, Bled

* Phil: (Unknown; at least Krakow and Day in the Tatras)

* Smith(3): Sarajevo, Krakow, Vienna

* Rev(5): Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Belgrade, Vienna

* Ben: (some; including but not limited to (based on conversation) Mostar, Miskolc and Eger (and Tard), Pluzine)

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 = THE PLAN =
-... rotated for a Zagreb start (I leave below the plan, unmodified, which some of Rev and/or Phil posted (with a rant, which I admit I did not leave), for comparison purposes)
+... rotated and time-recalculated for a Zagreb start (I leave the plan, unmodified, in the archive)
 # AM: Fly to Zagreb; PM: Zagreb -> Ljubljana (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Ljubljana
-# AM: Ljubljana -> Lake Bled/Bohinj (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)
+# AM: Ljubljana -> [[Archived:Lake Bled/Bohinj|Lake Bled/Bohinj]] (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)
-# AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore Vienna ('''''note that''''' ''if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day'')
+# AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore [[Archived:Vienna|Vienna]] ('''''note that''''' ''if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day'')
-# AM: Vienna -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.
+# AM: [[Archived:Vienna|Vienna]] -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.
-# AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> Miskolc (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc. ('''''note that''''' ''the addition of Miskolc (and the route of the subsequent day) is indeed an addition; before you call me on that, I draw your attention to sb of 02/02, where this addition was condoned by Phil (and Rev? I think), and which adds to things on the lists of Ben and Micky, and of which Ed, at least, also approves'')
+# AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> [[Archived:Miskolc|Miskolc]] (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc. ('''''note that''''' ''the addition of Miskolc (and the route of the subsequent day) is indeed an addition; before you call me on that, I draw your attention to sb of 02/02, 2050hrs or so, where this addition was condoned by Phil (and Rev? I think), and which adds to things on the lists of Ben and Micky, and of which Ed, at least, also approves'')
-# AM: Miskolc ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.
+# AM: [[Archived:Miskolc|Miskolc]] ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.
 # AM: Budapest -> Vukovar (180 miles, 4 to 5 hrs). PM: (Explore Vukovar?); Vukovar -> Sarajevo (160 miles, 4 to 5 hrs) ('''''note that''''' ''this could easily be split into two days, to ease the load on the drivers; I'm just not sure there's much actually to see in Vukovar'')
-# AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: Sarajevo -> Pluzine -> Podgorica (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. roman remains and also some fantastic scenery))
+# AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: [[Archived:SarajevoToPluzine|Sarajevo -> Pluzine]], [[Archived:PluzineToPodgorica|Pluzine -> Podgorica]] (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. Roman remains of Doclea and also some fantastic scenery))
-# AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik.
+# AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik. ('''''note that''''' ''I know Dubrovnik is not listed below, but both it and Podgorica mean, to me, the area containing and between them, full of scenery, Roman stuff, additional scenery, old-town stuff, further scenery, giant town walls, etc. This, not the town itself, is the interest of Podgorica.'')
-# AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Mostar. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)
+# AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore [[Archived:Mostar|Mostar]]. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)
 # The day: Explore Split.
-# AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Plitvice Lakes.
+# AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore [[Archived:Plitvice Lakes|Plitvice Lakes]].
 # AM: Plitvice Lakes -> Trieste (170 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Trieste.
-# AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore Skocjan Caves. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> Ljubljana (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). ('''''I am well aware''''' ''that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more'')
+# AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore [[Archived:Skocjan Caves|Skocjan Caves]]. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> [[Archived:Ljubljana|Ljubljana]] (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). ('''''I am well aware''''' ''that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more'')
-# AM: Ljubljana -> Zagreb (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.
+# AM: [[Archived:Ljubljana|Ljubljana]] -> [[Archived:Zagreb|Zagreb]] (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.
-'''I am additionally aware''' that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is partially due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb, and partially due to the long day from Budapest to Sarajevo via Vukovar. I posit the following suggestions for a use of the extra day:
+'''I am additionally aware''' that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is partially due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb, and partially due to the long day from Budapest to Sarajevo via Vukovar. IT HAS BEEN POSITED that the optimal use of this day is to deal with our finding ourselves unable to match the Plan's demands, and, consequently, to using it to absorb time as and when we see fit. Should we not need to do this, we can always expend it in e.g. Trieste at the end of the Plan.
-* To take 2 days going from Budapest to Sarajevo, spending a night in Vukovar on the way. This avoids a 350-mile drive with at least one border crossing, which is likely to take about 8 or 9 hours. (I myself do not mind the thing outlined above for this day, but those who may potentially wish EITHER to see Vukovar more OR to drive less may object to it.)
-* To spend an extra day cruising the Tatras, and exploring (not in this order) Miskolc, Eger and Krakow (which does in fact have quite a lot of stuff).
-* Was there something in Bratislava? I think someone mentioned it, but I am not sure why.
-[http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=46.72111103739144~21.680328994989473&lvl=6&dir=0&sty=c&rtp=pos.45.80638_15.967_Zagreb%2C%20Croatia<u>_a_~pos.46.051247_14.503062_Ljubljana%2C%20Slovenia</u>_a_~pos.46.282215267419815_13.858729898929596_Bohinjsko%20Jezero%2C%20Slovenia<u>_e_~pos.46.051247_14.503062_Ljubljana%2C%20Slovenia</u>_a_~pos.48.202549_16.368799_Vienna%2C%20Austria<u>_a_~pos.50.06007_19.932595_Cracow%2C%20Poland</u>_a_~pos.48.10563_20.790578_Miskolc%2C%20Hungary<u>_a_~pos.47.506225_19.06482_Budapest%2C%20Hungary</u>_a_~pos.43.856426_18.413422_Sarajevo%2C%20Bosnia%20and%20Herzegovina<u>_a_~pos.42.448307_19.26959_Podgorica%2C%20Montenegro</u>_a_~pos.42.642757_18.110659_Dubrovnik%2C%20Croatia<u>_a_~pos.43.340287_17.808344_Mostar%2C%20Bosnia%20and%20Herzegovina</u>_a_~pos.43.506985_16.441719_Split%2C%20Croatia<u>_a_~pos.45.65065_13.76709_Trieste%2C%20Fr.V.G.%2C%20Italy</u>_a_~pos.45.80638_15.967_Zagreb%2C%20Croatia___a_&mode=D&rtop=0~0~0~ HERE IS A MAP.] Please note that the map depicted, due to limitations placed upon numbers of checkpoints and of countries in which it works, does not show stops at (in order): Tard/Eger, Vukovar, Pluzine, Plitvice, probably some others; it also shows nothing like the correct route from Sarajevo to Podgorica. I have also not taken into account the distances to places which are not exactly within the towns; the total distance covered is, in truth, closer to 2,400 or even 2,500 miles.
-==== (the unrotated plan follows for comparison) ====
-''
-# Arrive Split; explore
-# Split to Sarajevo, via Mostar (5:00)
-# Morning in Sarajevo, then to Pluzine (2:30)
-# To Podgorica (2:00 or 3:00 via Podgorica pass) on to Kotor? (1:00)
-# Podgorica/Kotor to Split (6:00+)
-# Split to Plitvice/Trieste (3:30/5:00)
-# to Ljubljana (2:30/1:00)
-# To Bled/Bohinj and back? (1:00 * 2)
-# To Vienna or Bratislava
-# Vienna to Krakow, via Brno (6:00)
-# Krakow, to Stavebná? in the evening (4:00)
-# Day in the Tatras
-# Stavebná to Budapest/Szekesfehervar (3:00)
-# Budapest to Zagreb (4:00)
-# Zagreb to Split
-# Fly home''
-Desires filled, as far as I can see:
-* Lmm(3): Sarajevo, Montenegro, Miskolc
-* Ed(4): Podgorica, Split, Ljubljana, Bled
-* Phil: (Unknown; at least Krakow and Day in the Tatras)
-* Smith(3): Sarajevo, Krakow, Vienna
-* Rev(5): Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Belgrade, Vienna
-* Ben: (some; including but not limited to (based on conversation) Mostar, Miskolc and Eger (and Tard), Pluzine)
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