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=== Fear and loathing in Kazhakstan ===

* Day 1 (Fri): Catch the 05:25 Eurostar to Paris, arrives 08:50 Gare du Nord. Then RUN LIKE FUCK to the Gare d'l'Est for the 09:09 TGV to Mannheim. Connecting trains take us to Berlin, finishing in Warsaw at 23:15 in time to catch the sleeper to Moscow.

* Day 1 (Fri): Catch the 05:25 Eurostar to Paris, arrives 08:50 Gare du Nord. Then RUN LIKE FUCK to the Gare d'l'Est for the 09:09 TGV to Mannheim. Connecting trains take us to Berlin, finishing in Warsaw at 23:15 in time to catch the sleeper to Moscow. Alternately, catching the overnight ferry from Harwich at 23:15 on Thursday would be a little more expensive but lessen the opportunity for lol.

* Day 2 (Sat): Train train train to Moscow, arriving in the evening in time to catch the sleeper to Astana

* Day 3-4 (Sun-Mon): Train train train

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* optimised for temperature in Siberia not being silly (Jun-Aug, probably)

* optimised for leave allowance (March?)

==== Costs ====

Train fares beyond Warsaw are taken from RealRussia and some chinese travel website. Cheaper flights may be available. These costs are for travel (which essentially includes most of our accomodation), but do not include food or other expenses.

===== Trans-Mongolian =====

* London-Cologne: £92.50 urk, guess saturday's a bad day for eurostaring.

* Cologne-Warsaw: #42.4550258 if booked in advance

* Warsaw-Minsk: £71.89 in 2nd class, possibly less in third. Warsaw-Kiev: £126.98 in 2nd class during the day, sleeper fares unknown

* Minsk-Moscow: £71.87 or £39.30 in 3rd class on slow train. Kiev-Moscow: £94.04 2nd class on fast train, £61.83 3rd class on slow train.

* Moscow-Beijing: £534.94 2nd class (possibly cheaper in 3rd class)

* Beijing-Shanghai: #44.2369132 in seat, #57.1393463 in cabin

* Shanghai-Osaka: #164.905382

* Osaka-Tokyo: #63.7884001

* Tokyo-London: £529.29 on sunday, £440.19 on monday

Visas:

* Belarus £81.44 - so actually cheaper to go via Kiev

* Russia: £95 or maybe less

* Mongolia: #35

* China: #45

Minimum maximum total cost: #1746.8257211 (assuming return on Monday) We could always take the ferry to Amsterdam at the start, would save a little bit.

===== Kazhakstan =====

* London-Amsterdam: #34

* Amsterdam-Warsaw: #42.4550258 if booked in advance

* Warsaw-Moscow: £133.10

* Moscow-Astana: £138.86 3rd class, £235.43 2nd class

* Astana-Urumqi: #98.3042517

* Urumqi-Lanzhou: #49.7665274 in seat, #82.9442123 in cabin

* Lanzhou-Shanghai: #55.2961416 in seat, #92.1602359 in cabin

* Shanghai-Osaka: #161.157533

* Osaka-Tokyo: #63.7884001

* Tokyo-London: £529.29 on sunday, £440.19 on monday

Vizas:

* Belarus £81.44

* Russia: £95

* Kazhakstan: #15

* China: #45

Minimum maximum total cost: #1482.4578796 (assuming return on Sunday - could save some by making it Monday)

== Discussion ==

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**** Yeah, I think I (Lmm) agree. It's just a shame not to get any time in Shanghai, it's pretty high on my list of cool places to go to.

~~Kazhak~~ route gives us more time in Japan, but at the cost of spending basically no time exploring anywhere on the way. For my money (lmm), it's not worth it. ~~Though what might be worth it is~~ a ~~trans-kazhak route that takes its~~ time, ~~and catches the same tue-thur ferry~~ as ~~the above. Will spec~~ that ~~out in a minute~~.

Rushed kazhak route gives us more time in Japan, but at the cost of spending basically no time exploring anywhere on the way. For my money (lmm), it's not worth it. Possibly a viable alternative: fly to Moscow on Sat, spend a day or two there, get the train to Astana and have a bit more time there, then as that route.

For more detailed planning see /LmmStreamOfConsciousness

I (Smith) am wary of costs here, as these may spiral wildly due to the financial corollary of Hofstadter's Law. I would attach quite a strong weighting to cheapness when considering these plans, and I also feel that the route to cheapness may be through simplicity of itinerary

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 === Fear and loathing in Kazhakstan ===
-* Day 1 (Fri): Catch the 05:25 Eurostar to Paris, arrives 08:50 Gare du Nord. Then RUN LIKE FUCK to the Gare d'l'Est for the 09:09 TGV to Mannheim. Connecting trains take us to Berlin, finishing in Warsaw at 23:15 in time to catch the sleeper to Moscow.
+* Day 1 (Fri): Catch the 05:25 Eurostar to Paris, arrives 08:50 Gare du Nord. Then RUN LIKE FUCK to the Gare d'l'Est for the 09:09 TGV to Mannheim. Connecting trains take us to Berlin, finishing in Warsaw at 23:15 in time to catch the sleeper to Moscow. Alternately, catching the overnight ferry from Harwich at 23:15 on Thursday would be a little more expensive but lessen the opportunity for lol.
 * Day 2 (Sat): Train train train to Moscow, arriving in the evening in time to catch the sleeper to Astana
 * Day 3-4 (Sun-Mon): Train train train
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 * optimised for temperature in Siberia not being silly (Jun-Aug, probably)
 * optimised for leave allowance (March?)
+==== Costs ====
+Train fares beyond Warsaw are taken from RealRussia and some chinese travel website. Cheaper flights may be available. These costs are for travel (which essentially includes most of our accomodation), but do not include food or other expenses.
+===== Trans-Mongolian =====
+* London-Cologne: £92.50 urk, guess saturday's a bad day for eurostaring.
+* Cologne-Warsaw: #42.4550258 if booked in advance
+* Warsaw-Minsk: £71.89 in 2nd class, possibly less in third. Warsaw-Kiev: £126.98 in 2nd class during the day, sleeper fares unknown
+* Minsk-Moscow: £71.87 or £39.30 in 3rd class on slow train. Kiev-Moscow: £94.04 2nd class on fast train, £61.83 3rd class on slow train.
+* Moscow-Beijing: £534.94 2nd class (possibly cheaper in 3rd class)
+* Beijing-Shanghai: #44.2369132 in seat, #57.1393463 in cabin
+* Shanghai-Osaka: #164.905382
+* Osaka-Tokyo: #63.7884001
+* Tokyo-London: £529.29 on sunday, £440.19 on monday
+Visas:
+* Belarus £81.44 - so actually cheaper to go via Kiev
+* Russia: £95 or maybe less
+* Mongolia: #35
+* China: #45
+Minimum maximum total cost: #1746.8257211 (assuming return on Monday) We could always take the ferry to Amsterdam at the start, would save a little bit.
+===== Kazhakstan =====
+* London-Amsterdam: #34
+* Amsterdam-Warsaw: #42.4550258 if booked in advance
+* Warsaw-Moscow: £133.10
+* Moscow-Astana: £138.86 3rd class, £235.43 2nd class
+* Astana-Urumqi: #98.3042517
+* Urumqi-Lanzhou: #49.7665274 in seat, #82.9442123 in cabin
+* Lanzhou-Shanghai: #55.2961416 in seat, #92.1602359 in cabin
+* Shanghai-Osaka: #161.157533
+* Osaka-Tokyo: #63.7884001
+* Tokyo-London: £529.29 on sunday, £440.19 on monday
+Vizas:
+* Belarus £81.44
+* Russia: £95
+* Kazhakstan: #15
+* China: #45
+Minimum maximum total cost: #1482.4578796 (assuming return on Sunday - could save some by making it Monday)
 == Discussion ==
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 **** Yeah, I think I (Lmm) agree. It's just a shame not to get any time in Shanghai, it's pretty high on my list of cool places to go to.
-Kazhak route gives us more time in Japan, but at the cost of spending basically no time exploring anywhere on the way. For my money (lmm), it's not worth it. Though what might be worth it is a trans-kazhak route that takes its time, and catches the same tue-thur ferry as the above. Will spec that out in a minute.
+Rushed kazhak route gives us more time in Japan, but at the cost of spending basically no time exploring anywhere on the way. For my money (lmm), it's not worth it. Possibly a viable alternative: fly to Moscow on Sat, spend a day or two there, get the train to Astana and have a bit more time there, then as that route.
 For more detailed planning see /LmmStreamOfConsciousness
+I (Smith) am wary of costs here, as these may spiral wildly due to the financial corollary of Hofstadter's Law. I would attach quite a strong weighting to cheapness when considering these plans, and I also feel that the route to cheapness may be through simplicity of itinerary