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The last plan nobody objected to, rotated to allow for a Zagreb arrival.
THE PLAN, rotated for a Zagreb start (I leave below the plan, unmodified, which some of Rev and/or Phil posted (with a rant), for comparison purposes)


# Sat. Arrive Zagreb
# AM: Fly to Zagreb; PM: Zagreb -> Ljubljana (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Ljubljana
# Sun. Zagreb to Sarajevo (250 miles; 5:00)
# AM: Ljubljana -> Lake Bled/Bohinj (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)
# Mon. Sarajevo to Pluzine (80 miles; 2:30)
# AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore Vienna ('''''note that''''' ''if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day'')
# Tue. Pluzine to Podgorica (70 miles, 2:00 or 120 miles, 3:00 via Podgorica pass) on to Kotor? (80 miles, 2:00)
# AM: Vienna -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.
# Wed. Podgorica/Kotor to Mostar via Dubrovnik(150 miles; 4:00)
# AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> Miskolc (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc.
# Thu. Mostar to Split (120 miles 3:00)
# AM: Miskolc ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.
# Fri. Split to Plitvice (50 miles, 3:30)
# AM: Budapest -> Vukovar (180 miles, 4 to 5 hrs). PM: (Explore Vukovar?); Vukovar -> Sarajevo (160 miles, 4 to 5 hrs) ('''''note that''''' ''this could easily be split into two days, to ease the load on the drivers; I'm just not sure there's much actually to see in Vukovar'')
# Sat. Plitvice to Ljubljana (150 miles, 3:30)
# AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: Sarajevo -> Pluzine -> Podgorica (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. roman remains and also some fantastic scenery))
# Sun. To Bled/Bohinj and back? (40 miles, 1:00) * 2
# AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik.
# Mon. To Vienna (300 miles; 5:00)
# AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Mostar. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)
# Tue. Vienna to Krakow, via Brno (300 miles; 6:00)
# The day: Explore Split.
# Wed. Krakow, to Banska Bystrica in the evening (140 miles, 4:00)
# AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Plitvice Lakes.
# Thu. Day in the Tatras
# AM: Plitvice Lakes -> Trieste (170 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Trieste.
# Fri. Banska Bystrica to Budapest/Szekesfehervar (120 miles, 3:00)
# AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore Skocjan Caves. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> Ljubljana (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). ('''''I am well aware''''' ''that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more'')
# Sat. Budapest to Zagreb (250 miles, 4:00)
# AM: Ljubljana -> Zagreb (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.
# Sun. Fly home


Bing can't do Montenegro, Google can't do Bosnia, but [http://tinyurl.com/4uwjzkl this is roughly it]
'''I am additionally aware''' that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb. I posit the following suggestions for a use of the extra day:
* To take 2 days going from Budapest to Sarajevo, spending a night in Vukovar on the way. This avoids a 350-mile drive with at least one border crossing, which is likely to take about 8 or 9 hours.
* To spend an extra day cruising the Tatras, and exploring (not in this order) Miskolc, Eger and Krakow (which does in fact have quite a lot of stuff).


That is totally not the plan that no-one disagreed with.  I have corrected your fraud (without the rotation, which had also been approved):
(the unrotated plan follows for comparison)


# Arrive Split; explore
# Arrive Split; explore
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# Zagreb to Split
# Zagreb to Split
# Fly home
# Fly home
I cannot fathom why you would adjust it and claim that it was the agreed plan, when all that is going to do is piss people off.
What did I adjust apart from the ordering? Once rotated, there is no purpose in visiting Split twice, and time to be gained by moving Mostar up a bit. It doesn't change the destinations and it reduces the time spent driving. I cannot fathom why anyone would get pissed off by that.


Desires filled, as far as I can see:
Desires filled, as far as I can see:
* Lmm(2): Sarajevo, Montenegro
* Lmm(3): Sarajevo, Montenegro, Miskolc
* Ed(4): Podgorica, Split, Ljubljana, Bled
* Ed(4): Podgorica, Split, Ljubljana, Bled
* Phil: (Unknown; at least Krakow and Day in the Tatras)
* Phil: (Unknown; at least Krakow and Day in the Tatras)
* Smith(3): Sarajevo, Krakow, Vienna
* Smith(3): Sarajevo, Krakow, Vienna
* Rev(5): Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Belgrade, Vienna
* Rev(5): Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Belgrade, Vienna
* Ben: (some; including but not limited to Mostar, Miskolc and Eger (and Tard), Pluzine)


Revision as of 09:46, 3 February 2011

THE PLAN, rotated for a Zagreb start (I leave below the plan, unmodified, which some of Rev and/or Phil posted (with a rant), for comparison purposes)

  1. AM: Fly to Zagreb; PM: Zagreb -> Ljubljana (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Ljubljana
  2. AM: Ljubljana -> Lake Bled/Bohinj (45 miles, 1 hr); explore lakes and castles and waterfalls and majestic karst and so forth. PM: finish exploring; return to Ljubljana (45 miles, 1 hr)
  3. AM: Ljubljana -> Vienna (250 miles, 5 hrs). PM: Explore Vienna (note that if we have all done enough Vienna in the past, we might consider proceeding to Brno in the evening here, to give us more time in Krakow on the next day)
  4. AM: Vienna -> Brno -> Krakow (300 miles, 6 hrs). PM: Explore Krakow.
  5. AM: Krakow -> (slow cruise in the Tatras) -> Miskolc (200 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for slow cruise)). PM: Explore Miskolc.
  6. AM: Miskolc ( -> Tard ) -> Eger -> Budapest (150 miles, 5 or 6 hrs (allowing for exploring Eger and also for country roads)). PM: Explore Budapest.
  7. AM: Budapest -> Vukovar (180 miles, 4 to 5 hrs). PM: (Explore Vukovar?); Vukovar -> Sarajevo (160 miles, 4 to 5 hrs) (note that this could easily be split into two days, to ease the load on the drivers; I'm just not sure there's much actually to see in Vukovar)
  8. AM: Explore Sarajevo. PM: Sarajevo -> Pluzine -> Podgorica (170 miles, 5 hrs (inc. roman remains and also some fantastic scenery))
  9. AM: Podgorica -> Dubrovnik (120 miles, 4 hrs (inc. crazy cool environs and the hairpin-filled Podgorica/Kotor road). PM: explore Dubrovnik.
  10. AM: Dubrovnik -> Mostar (90 miles, 2 hrs); explore Mostar. PM: Mostar -> Split (120 miles, 3 hrs)
  11. The day: Explore Split.
  12. AM: Split -> Plitvice (160 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Plitvice Lakes.
  13. AM: Plitvice Lakes -> Trieste (170 miles, 4 hrs). PM: Explore Trieste.
  14. AM: Trieste -> Skocjan Caves (20 miles, 0.5 hrs). Explore Skocjan Caves. PM: Find way out of caves. Skocjan Caves -> Ljubljana (60 miles, 1.5 hrs). (I am well aware that we will have been to Ljubljana before; this is for stopping purposes and no more)
  15. AM: Ljubljana -> Zagreb (90 miles, 2 hrs). PM: Fly home.

I am additionally aware that this uses 15 days, not 16 days. This is due to it being more efficient when starting at Zagreb. I posit the following suggestions for a use of the extra day:

  • To take 2 days going from Budapest to Sarajevo, spending a night in Vukovar on the way. This avoids a 350-mile drive with at least one border crossing, which is likely to take about 8 or 9 hours.
  • To spend an extra day cruising the Tatras, and exploring (not in this order) Miskolc, Eger and Krakow (which does in fact have quite a lot of stuff).

(the unrotated plan follows for comparison)

  1. Arrive Split; explore
  2. Split to Sarajevo, via Mostar (5:00)
  3. Morning in Sarajevo, then to Pluzine (2:30)
  4. To Podgorica (2:00 or 3:00 via Podgorica pass) on to Kotor? (1:00)
  5. Podgorica/Kotor to Split (6:00+)
  6. Split to Plitvice/Trieste (3:30/5:00)
  7. to Ljubljana (2:30/1:00)
  8. To Bled/Bohinj and back? (1:00 * 2)
  9. To Vienna or Bratislava
  10. Vienna to Krakow, via Brno (6:00)
  11. Krakow, to Stavebná? in the evening (4:00)
  12. Day in the Tatras
  13. Stavebná to Budapest/Szekesfehervar (3:00)
  14. Budapest to Zagreb (4:00)
  15. Zagreb to Split
  16. Fly home

Desires filled, as far as I can see:

  • Lmm(3): Sarajevo, Montenegro, Miskolc
  • Ed(4): Podgorica, Split, Ljubljana, Bled
  • Phil: (Unknown; at least Krakow and Day in the Tatras)
  • Smith(3): Sarajevo, Krakow, Vienna
  • Rev(5): Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Belgrade, Vienna
  • Ben: (some; including but not limited to Mostar, Miskolc and Eger (and Tard), Pluzine)
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