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**** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm

**** I (Smith) move that we at least start in Osaka, because that way I can get there a week in advance and then meet you chaps

**** Flights are looking to be around £500. II(S)RC that is, while more, not '''vastly''' more than Zagreb. Therefore, as long as we are mindful at all times of the error of Phlebas the Phoenician, I can see the overall cost per capita (all other things being equal, in particular the number of capitae) being a little more than that of Plan N, but not arduously so

* dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan

** When you look into the abyss, &c

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*** Apparently it is not as time-consuming as I (Smith) thought

*** six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)

**** I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibirjak) that goes from Berlin to many interesting places: Novosibirsk, Kazan, Astana and the Russian-Abkhaz border to name a few options

**** Getting off to tour mid-jaunt is harder than you might think

***** Alas, it runs weekly, so pick only one interesting place. (My vote would be Astana)

** I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibirjak) that goes from Berlin to many interesting places: Novosibirsk, Kazan, Astana and the Russian-Abkhaz border to name a few options

****** Yeah, that's what I was trying to clarify by referring to options. Perhaps I should have been more perfectly clear

*** Alas, it runs weekly, so pick only one interesting place. (My vote would be Astana)

**** Yeah, that's what I was trying to clarify by referring to options. Perhaps I should have been more perfectly clear

* Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic

** Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok (a city that appears to have almost exactly the same level of merit as a destination in its own right as the Snowdon Summit Restaurant)

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 **** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm
 **** I (Smith) move that we at least start in Osaka, because that way I can get there a week in advance and then meet you chaps
+**** Flights are looking to be around £500. II(S)RC that is, while more, not '''vastly''' more than Zagreb. Therefore, as long as we are mindful at all times of the error of Phlebas the Phoenician, I can see the overall cost per capita (all other things being equal, in particular the number of capitae) being a little more than that of Plan N, but not arduously so
 * dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan
 ** When you look into the abyss, &c
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 *** Apparently it is not as time-consuming as I (Smith) thought
 *** six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)
-**** I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibirjak) that goes from Berlin to many interesting places: Novosibirsk, Kazan, Astana and the Russian-Abkhaz border to name a few options
+**** Getting off to tour mid-jaunt is harder than you might think
-***** Alas, it runs weekly, so pick only one interesting place. (My vote would be Astana)
+** I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibirjak) that goes from Berlin to many interesting places: Novosibirsk, Kazan, Astana and the Russian-Abkhaz border to name a few options
-****** Yeah, that's what I was trying to clarify by referring to options. Perhaps I should have been more perfectly clear
+*** Alas, it runs weekly, so pick only one interesting place. (My vote would be Astana)
+**** Yeah, that's what I was trying to clarify by referring to options. Perhaps I should have been more perfectly clear
 * Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic
 ** Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok (a city that appears to have almost exactly the same level of merit as a destination in its own right as the Snowdon Summit Restaurant)