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**** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm

**** I (Smith) move that we at least start in Osaka, because that way I can get there a week in advance and then meet you chaps

**** I'd also like to see Hiroshima, which is about 350km from Osaka and therefore doable as a day-trip with moderate difficulty (or with a night in a radioactive hotel)

***** Things to do there:

****** Honourable Museum of Instant Noodle http://www.nissin-noodles.com/

****** Honourable Shikishima Baking Company http://www.pasconet.co.jp/index.php

****** Honourable Otabe-cake Factory http://www.otabe.co.jp/

****** Honourable Aquarium http://www.kaiyukan.com/index.html

*** I'd also like to see Hiroshima, which is about 350km from Osaka and therefore doable as a day-trip with moderate difficulty (or with a night in a radioactive hotel)

**** Flights are looking to be around £500. II(S)RC that is, while more, not '''vastly''' more than Zagreb. Therefore, as long as we are mindful at all times of the error of Phlebas the Phoenician, I can see the overall cost per capita (all other things being equal, in particular the number of capitae) being a little more than that of Plan N, but not arduously so

* dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan

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 **** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm
 **** I (Smith) move that we at least start in Osaka, because that way I can get there a week in advance and then meet you chaps
-**** I'd also like to see Hiroshima, which is about 350km from Osaka and therefore doable as a day-trip with moderate difficulty (or with a night in a radioactive hotel)
+***** Things to do there:
+****** Honourable Museum of Instant Noodle http://www.nissin-noodles.com/
+****** Honourable Shikishima Baking Company http://www.pasconet.co.jp/index.php
+****** Honourable Otabe-cake Factory http://www.otabe.co.jp/
+****** Honourable Aquarium http://www.kaiyukan.com/index.html
+*** I'd also like to see Hiroshima, which is about 350km from Osaka and therefore doable as a day-trip with moderate difficulty (or with a night in a radioactive hotel)
 **** Flights are looking to be around £500. II(S)RC that is, while more, not '''vastly''' more than Zagreb. Therefore, as long as we are mindful at all times of the error of Phlebas the Phoenician, I can see the overall cost per capita (all other things being equal, in particular the number of capitae) being a little more than that of Plan N, but not arduously so
 * dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan