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TRAVEL

* £2,000: a car. this is pretty important, and a cost of £2,000 will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)

* ~~£770~~: tax and insurance for the above. assuming guesses about the drivers (smith, ed, {ben, phil}) we can acquire insurance for c. £600. this must needs be added to with a green card for croatia, bosnia and serbia (all other countries are in the eu); i have assumed £50 for this extension. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120.

* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to

* ~~£550~~: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but ~~both~~ time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost. ~~also several~~ roads are ~~toll roads~~, ~~which~~ this ~~rather large rounding error will hopefully cover~~.

* £530: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.

* £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.

* £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it will be all of £15 less); if we are sensible we will have no choice but not to push it on the return. hence, £150.

this totals £3,~~470~~, or (assuming the ~~five~~ canon attendees) ~~£700~~ per person.

this totals £3,200, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £550 per person.

FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER

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OTHER STUFF

* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £100 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).

* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute ~~the ascent of rum doodle~~ and allow a further ~~£153~~ per person.

* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute certain numerological laws and allow a further £80 per person (hail eris).

this totals (again, pretty arbitrarily) ~~£253~~ per person.

this totals (again, pretty arbitrarily) £180 per person.

RESALE

* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £500 (and i don't care to assume more, cf autotrader) then we get a refund

this re-profits us £80 each

TOTAL

the total cost of these things ~~is - why~~, ~~how significant! -~~ the total cost of the ~~above things~~ sums to £1,~~723~~ PER PERSON

the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,550 PER PERSON

the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £1,400 PER PERSON

are we okay with that ~~(note that this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards)~~

are we okay with that

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 TRAVEL
 * £2,000: a car. this is pretty important, and a cost of £2,000 will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)
-* £770: tax and insurance for the above. assuming guesses about the drivers (smith, ed, {ben, phil}) we can acquire insurance for c. £600. this must needs be added to with a green card for croatia, bosnia and serbia (all other countries are in the eu); i have assumed £50 for this extension. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120.
+* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to
-* £550: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but both time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost. also several roads are toll roads, which this rather large rounding error will hopefully cover.
+* £530: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.
+* £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.
 * £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it will be all of £15 less); if we are sensible we will have no choice but not to push it on the return. hence, £150.
-this totals £3,470, or (assuming the five canon attendees) £700 per person.
+this totals £3,200, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £550 per person.
 FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER
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 OTHER STUFF
 * we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £100 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).
-* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute the ascent of rum doodle and allow a further £153 per person.
+* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute certain numerological laws and allow a further £80 per person (hail eris).
-this totals (again, pretty arbitrarily) £253 per person.
+this totals (again, pretty arbitrarily) £180 per person.
+RESALE
+* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £500 (and i don't care to assume more, cf autotrader) then we get a refund
+this re-profits us £80 each
 TOTAL
-the total cost of these things is - why, how significant! - the total cost of the above things sums to £1,723 PER PERSON
+the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,550 PER PERSON
+the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £1,400 PER PERSON
-are we okay with that (note that this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards)
+are we okay with that