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TRAVEL

* £2,~~000~~: a car. this is pretty important, ~~and a cost of £2,000~~ will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)

* £1,400: a car. this is pretty important, this will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)

* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to

* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to the above

* ~~£530~~: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.

* £500: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.

* £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.

* £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it will be all of £15 less); if we are sensible we will have no choice but not to push it on the return. hence, £150.

this totals £3,~~200~~, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) ~~£550~~ per person.

this totals £2,570, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £430 per person.

FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER

* ~~£20~~ per person per day maybe? (this is based on costs in europe and the balkans being fractionally less than those here, but that we will not be eating in the most economic manner due to not living out of a supermarket (for one thing, we won't have a big fridge.) if anyone cares to revise this estimate, go right ahead

* £15 per person per day maybe? (this is based on costs in europe and the balkans being fractionally less than those here, but that we will not be eating in the most economic manner due to not living out of a supermarket (for one thing, we won't have a big fridge.) if anyone cares to revise this estimate, go right ahead

this totals ~~£320~~ per person.

this totals £240 per person.

ACCOMMODATION

* how do we intend to do this? i have little idea. i will arbitrarily assume that for ~~£150~~ any given town can put a group of five or six up for a night~~, but~~ this is ~~not~~ based on ~~data really~~. ~~£30 per person per night over 15 nights is £450 per person total, so let's roll with~~ that ~~for now~~.

* how do we intend to do this? i have little idea. i will arbitrarily assume that for £15 per person any given town can put a group of five or six up for a night; this is based on www.hihostels.com information and assumes that we are going to do it by youth hostels &c. (the cheapest way)

this totals ~~(pretty arbitrarily) £450~~ per person.

this also totals £240 per person.

OTHER STUFF

* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £100 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).

* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute certain numerological laws and allow a further £80 per person (hail eris).

this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £100 per person.

this totals (~~again,~~ pretty arbitrarily) ~~£180~~ per person.

RESALE

* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £900 (based on autotrader) then we get a bit of a refund.

this re-profits us £150 each

* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £500 (and i don't care to assume more, cf autotrader) then we get a refund

TOTAL

~~this re-profits us £80 each~~

~~TOTAL~~

the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,010 PER PERSON

~~the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,550 PER PERSON~~

the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £860

the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to ~~£1,400 PER PERSON~~

are we okay with that

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 TRAVEL
-* £2,000: a car. this is pretty important, and a cost of £2,000 will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)
+* £1,400: a car. this is pretty important, this will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)
-* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to
+* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to the above
-* £530: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.
+* £500: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.
 * £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.
 * £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it will be all of £15 less); if we are sensible we will have no choice but not to push it on the return. hence, £150.
-this totals £3,200, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £550 per person.
+this totals £2,570, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £430 per person.
 FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER
-* £20 per person per day maybe? (this is based on costs in europe and the balkans being fractionally less than those here, but that we will not be eating in the most economic manner due to not living out of a supermarket (for one thing, we won't have a big fridge.) if anyone cares to revise this estimate, go right ahead
+* £15 per person per day maybe? (this is based on costs in europe and the balkans being fractionally less than those here, but that we will not be eating in the most economic manner due to not living out of a supermarket (for one thing, we won't have a big fridge.) if anyone cares to revise this estimate, go right ahead
-this totals £320 per person.
+this totals £240 per person.
 ACCOMMODATION
-* how do we intend to do this? i have little idea. i will arbitrarily assume that for £150 any given town can put a group of five or six up for a night, but this is not based on data really. £30 per person per night over 15 nights is £450 per person total, so let's roll with that for now.
+* how do we intend to do this? i have little idea. i will arbitrarily assume that for £15 per person any given town can put a group of five or six up for a night; this is based on www.hihostels.com information and assumes that we are going to do it by youth hostels &c. (the cheapest way)
-this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £450 per person.
+this also totals £240 per person.
 OTHER STUFF
 * we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £100 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).
-* rounding errors. you have not allowed enough money, even when taking into account hofstadter's law. let us tribute certain numerological laws and allow a further £80 per person (hail eris).
+this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £100 per person.
-this totals (again, pretty arbitrarily) £180 per person.
 RESALE
+* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £900 (based on autotrader) then we get a bit of a refund.
+this re-profits us £150 each
-* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £500 (and i don't care to assume more, cf autotrader) then we get a refund
+TOTAL
-this re-profits us £80 each
-TOTAL
+the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,010 PER PERSON
-the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,550 PER PERSON
+the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £860
-the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £1,400 PER PERSON
 are we okay with that