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HERE ARE THINGS which the financial-obsessive and/or cautious members of this guild have calculated will contribute to the cost

~~TRAVEL~~

UNMODIFIABLE STUFF (which will be a cost no matter what method we choose to use)

* £1,400: a car. this is pretty important, this will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)

* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to the above

* £500: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.

* £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.

* £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which ~~i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it~~ will be ~~all of £15 less); if we are sensible~~ we ~~will have no choice but not~~ to ~~push it on the return. hence, £150.~~

~~this totals £2,570, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees~~) ~~£430 per person.~~

FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER

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OTHER STUFF

* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals ~~£100~~ per person (based, again, on almost zero data).

* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £75 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).

this totals (pretty arbitrarily) ~~£100~~ per person.

* we must allow for random crap, let's allow £75 per person also.

this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £150 per person.

~~RESALE~~

UNMODIFIABLE: £630 ph

* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £900 (based on autotrader) then we get a bit of a refund.

~~this re-profits us £150 each~~

~~TOTAL~~

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~~the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,075 PER PERSON~~

MODIFIABLE STUFF

~~the~~ total cost of ~~these things after reclaiming some insurance~~ and ~~selling the car sums to £860 PER PERSON~~

hire buy

cost of car ---- £1,300

-£900 resale

cost of insurance ---- £700

-£400 cancellation

cost of tax ---- £120

cost of rent £900 ----

cost of fuel £360 £500 assumes 45 mpg

cost of flights £480 total ---- calculated at £80 ph return to munich

cost of tunnels £150 ----

cost of tolls £30 £50 a bit in france, germany and bosnia

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~~are~~ we ~~okay with that~~

MODIFIABLE £1,620 £1,370

= £270 ph = £230 ph

however this also requires an additional £220 *float* ph for purchase of car

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TOTALS: £900 ph for hire, £860 ph + £220 ph (hopefully) reclaimable float for purchase

risks involved: hire, we will be charged through the nose in case of accident. buy, we lose the float but only have to pay a pittance for scrapping and a flight home.

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 HERE ARE THINGS which the financial-obsessive and/or cautious members of this guild have calculated will contribute to the cost
-TRAVEL
+UNMODIFIABLE STUFF (which will be a cost no matter what method we choose to use)
-* £1,400: a car. this is pretty important, this will get us a pretty decent people carrier (read: 1998 ford galaxy, 1.9l, diesel, manual)
-* £470: tax and insurance for the above. tax for 6 months on a car of the expected co2 emissions of an aging people carrier (6 months being the shortest bracket one can purchase) costs £120. assuming certain guesses about some of the drivers (smith, ed, phil) we can acquire insurance. it is cheaper to insure for the year and then cancel. this can be achieved for c. £600 float + c. £100 green card (croatia, bosnia, serbia) - £400 cancellation (allowing for minimum premia) + £50 cancellation fee, summing to the above
-* £500: fuel. this assumes 45mpg diesel at serbian petrol costs as at the new year; we can probably manage up to 50 mpg if we have an economic driver, and get it cheaper on the massive getting-out-there stretch, but time considerations and the bit where petrol prices may go up (especially in the balkans) and the bit where we might want to make diversions mean i don't care to assume any lesser cost.
-* £50: toll roads. there are quite a lot, through france/belgium, germany, croatia and bosnia at least, and perhaps more. i will allow £50 for this.
-* £150: channel tunnel. it's £73 each way at peak times, which given the times we'll be doing it probably will be (unless we leave the starting point (which i am currently treating as ben's house) at c. 2200hrs, in which case it will be all of £15 less); if we are sensible we will have no choice but not to push it on the return. hence, £150.
-this totals £2,570, or (assuming the six (6) canon attendees) £430 per person.
 FOODSTUFFS AND DRINKING WATER
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 OTHER STUFF
-* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £100 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).
+* we will want to go in to attractions, museums and so forth maybe? let us assume that for the whole trip this totals £75 per person (based, again, on almost zero data).
-this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £100 per person.
+* we must allow for random crap, let's allow £75 per person also.
+this totals (pretty arbitrarily) £150 per person.
-RESALE
+UNMODIFIABLE: £630 ph
-* all this may be modified by what we choose to do with the car afterwards; if we assume a resale value of £900 (based on autotrader) then we get a bit of a refund.
-this re-profits us £150 each
-TOTAL
+-------
-the total FLOAT (not cost) required for these things, including paying insurance up front and not selling the car before the jaunt(e), sums to £1,075 PER PERSON
+MODIFIABLE STUFF
-the total cost of these things after reclaiming some insurance and selling the car sums to £860 PER PERSON
+                    hire          buy
+cost of car         ----        £1,300
+                                 -£900   resale
+cost of insurance   ----          £700
+                                 -£400   cancellation
+cost of tax         ----          £120
+cost of rent        £900          ----
+cost of fuel        £360          £500   assumes 45 mpg
+cost of flights     £480 total    ----   calculated at £80 ph return to munich
+cost of tunnels     £150          ----
+cost of tolls        £30           £50   a bit in france, germany and bosnia
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-are we okay with that
+MODIFIABLE        £1,620        £1,370
+                  = £270 ph     = £230 ph
+                                however this also requires an additional £220 *float* ph for purchase of car
+-------
+TOTALS: £900 ph for hire, £860 ph + £220 ph (hopefully) reclaimable float for purchase
+risks involved: hire, we will be charged through the nose in case of accident. buy, we lose the float but only have to pay a pittance for scrapping and a flight home.