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**** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm

* dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan

** When you look into the abyss, &c

* The Trans-Siberian Railway has been proposed with varying levels of seriousness

** I meant it entirely seriously, but thought it would be best combined with the above (especially since I expect few people other than me to be interested) --Lmm

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*** six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)

* Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic

** Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok

* Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort

** i rather like this idea

* We could potentially hire '''in''' Istanbul, from where we can turn either West or East

* Israel, Palestine and perhaps some neighbouring countries would be interesting (and likely cheaper than venturing further afield), but I (Smith - who else, ololol) expect the Kosovo Passport Issue returns with a vengeance if we do this

** and i expect that the "swathes of desert punctuated by terrorists" issue rears its ugly head

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 **** Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm
 * dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan
+** When you look into the abyss, &c
 * The Trans-Siberian Railway has been proposed with varying levels of seriousness
 ** I meant it entirely seriously, but thought it would be best combined with the above (especially since I expect few people other than me to be interested) --Lmm
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 *** six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)
 * Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic
+** Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok
 * Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort
 ** i rather like this idea
+* We could potentially hire '''in''' Istanbul, from where we can turn either West or East
 * Israel, Palestine and perhaps some neighbouring countries would be interesting (and likely cheaper than venturing further afield), but I (Smith - who else, ololol) expect the Kosovo Passport Issue returns with a vengeance if we do this
 ** and i expect that the "swathes of desert punctuated by terrorists" issue rears its ugly head