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A Road Trip was held and was a great success; see PlanN
Plan N+1
Location
- Japan?
- It is probable that I (Smith) can provide a bilingual guide and possibly limited accomodation in Osaka
- I would furthermore suggest that we do perhaps two major places (say Osaka and Tokyo) with a simple and painless transition between them
- Not necessarily convinced - I rather liked the flying visit approach of the previous trip - but in practice I guess there're not so many places in Japan. I would want to see Kyoto at least, but that's a perfectly reasonable excursion from Osaka. --Lmm
- I would furthermore suggest that we do perhaps two major places (say Osaka and Tokyo) with a simple and painless transition between them
- It is probable that I (Smith) can provide a bilingual guide and possibly limited accomodation in Osaka
- dash it all what *is* it that you see in japan
- When you look into the abyss, &c
- ... you see only ethnic underage girls being forced to offer themselves for sexual services; i object to at least some of that
- Specifically, the qualifier "ethnic"?
- now now, i do not approve of the forcing either; it is important to keep the "gentleman" part of "gentleman pervert"
- ... you see only ethnic underage girls being forced to offer themselves for sexual services; i object to at least some of that
- When you look into the abyss, &c
- The Trans-Siberian Railway has been proposed with varying levels of seriousness
- I meant it entirely seriously, but thought it would be best combined with the above (especially since I expect few people other than me to be interested) --Lmm
- Apparently it is not as time-consuming as I (Smith) thought
- six days four hours on the actual train, moscow to vladivostok (this is not allowing for touring time)
- I (Smith) have also discovered a train called the Sibirjak that goes from Berlin to Novosibirsk
- I meant it entirely seriously, but thought it would be best combined with the above (especially since I expect few people other than me to be interested) --Lmm
- Soviet Central Asia, China and Mongolia are also interesting places if we wish to go somewhere exotic
- Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok
- ...and it is even possible to do this via Ulan Baator, but that is well over 10Mm
- Combining this and the above, I (Smith) note that one can go from Moscow to Beijing by starting out on the Trans-Siberian and changing at Tarskaya, and that this is in fact substantially shorter than going all the way to Vladivostok
- Could do a road trip 2.0 to Istanbul now that we know about Kompas car rental; a Croatia/Serbia/Romania/Bulgaria/Turkey/Greece/Macedona/Albania/Kosovo/Bosnia route would actually have very little overlap with the previous effort
- i rather like this idea
- We could potentially hire in Istanbul, from where we can turn either West or East
- possible but less likely to be nice about where we can go than kompas; also what is actually in anatolia/bithynia et pontus that makes it worth going east?
- Israel, Palestine and perhaps some neighbouring countries would be interesting (and likely cheaper than venturing further afield), but I (Smith - who else, ololol) expect the Kosovo Passport Issue returns with a vengeance if we do this
- and i expect that the "swathes of desert punctuated by terrorists" issue rears its ugly head
- South Sudan
- mesoamerica (i am saying this due to, as is well known, being a fanboy of mayincatec remains, languages, etc.)
- It is expensive and time-consuming to get there
- could be worse, could be china (i recall it not being *too* expensive?)
- China is attainable by train, which while of course slower than an aircraft is more interesting and probably less draining than a long-haul flight
- could be worse, could be china (i recall it not being *too* expensive?)
- It is expensive and time-consuming to get there
Dates
- A year after the previous one?
- Good for purposes of holiday allowance
- At Comiket time?
Things to bear in mind
- There is a significant danger that this will become hilariously expensive
- On a scale of n to m, how attached are we to the idea of road-tripping as a method of transport?
- road trip = trip by interesting transport (boat? (delian league, etc.)) = defined-tickbody train trip (trans-siberian railway) > train trip > excursions from a hub by road > excursions from a hub by train
Attendees
- Lmm
- Smith
- mr edward a. heaney (probably)